What are you voting for? : Melbourne Indymedia

Labor are not going to change anything much, even if they got up. But that is not the mass media plan.

They want John Howard back and they have the power to get him back.

Okay you all separate and run off into groups of minor parties each giving their preferences to Lib/Lab because all roads lead to Lib/Lab.

Then what? Mass media manipulation, polls, slander, innuendo, and repeated propaganda. Repeated propaganda, fear, plots, bribes, etc.

With no Senate you can't afford to get this wrong. The corporations and mass media will do everything they can to get John Howard or Peter Costello re elected and Labor is no alternative you know it.

If you do the same thing as you did last time then why shouldn't you get the same thing as you did last time? A war criminal pm!!!

Mr Speaker that is the question? There are too many holes in your safety net.

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The Greens

The Greens won't save you!

Distribution of Greens Preferences
Election Average % vote % Preferences to Seats flowing to % Prefs to ALP
(Electorates) per Electorate Labor Coalition Labor Coalition Highest Lowest
1996 (102) n.a. 67.10 32.90 97 5 83.79 42.55
1998 (120) 3.1 73.28 26.72 120 .. 88.42 54.33
2001 (145) 5.0 74.83 25.17 144 1 90.23 42.77
http://www.abc.net.au/elections/federal/2004/guide/minorprefs.htm
2004: Despite earlier claims by Senator Bob Brown that the Greens would gain the balance of power in the Senate, the Coalition performance across the nation was too even to make that a realistic outcome. The Greens won Senate seats in Western Australia and Tasmania, and came relatively close in Queensland and Victoria. The new Family First party won a Victorian seat and came close to a seat in Tasmania. The Australian Democrats lost all of its seats being contested, and will have only four seats in the new Senate—the same number as the Greens. The single One Nation Senator was defeated. Many people seemed to think that Bob Brown’s prediction of one million Green votes might be close to the mark, and appreciated that were this to happen, it was possible that the Greens would gain the balance of power in the Senate. It was clear that the major parties found common ground in their desire to avert this.

The Greens, Labor’s preferences and Family First

The Greens won seats in Western Australia and Tasmania, and came relatively close in Queensland and Victoria. In both Victoria and Tasmania, the Labor Party put the new Family First party ahead of the Greens on its Senate group voting ticket. The result of this decision in Victoria was that the Greens, with 8.8 per cent of the first preference vote, lost the sixth seat to Family First (1.9 per cent). Only the Nuclear Disarmament Party in New South Wales in 1987 has won a Senate seat with a lower primary vote (1.5 per cent). In Tasmania the Greens (13.3 per cent) barely hung on to defeat Family First (2.4 per cent) for the final seat.(87) Bob Brown had predicted that the Greens would gain the balance of power in the Senate, but the strong Coalition performance across the nation showed that to be an unrealistic prediction.
http://www.aph.gov.au/library/pubs/RB/2004-05/05rb13.htm
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Last time we lost the senate what will it be next time? Have you lost your arse yet or just your marbles?

Any minor party or independent who give their preferences to Liberal or Labor are your mortal enemies. Why because they don't have any fear about going into a war of aggression. If you were in a war wouldn't you want some opposition? Someone to oppose it? Sure you would. But you're not in a war so it's okay if you filibuster your way through it?

So why would you preference people who wage wars of aggression or who do not oppose it? You wouldn't if you were a half decent person. In other words like the last 10 odd years you are willing to do it again, and again, and again. Until you get your face punched in.

The other point is that if all of the minor parties joined together then you may have some chance but that is not possible so that's where voting nobody comes in.

The opportunity for all those against the bad policies to boycott the election. To vote against Lib/Lab and protest the totally flawed allegedly democratic two party' preferred system?

Because there is no such thing as a democratic two party preferred democracy. But that's what 90 per cent of the population are constantly told. Why? Democracy is everybody.

If you're going to vote for a minor party insist that they don't preference warmongers and human rights abusers, at the very least. Otherwise you might see our point and boycott the vote because in reality I don't think any minor party can afford not to send their preferences to Lib/Lab to have some chance of maintaining their alleged status.

In other developments:

Write off Lib/Lab, says Nobody' director
"I don't think there's a difference between Australians wanting a strong opposition and Australians finally deciding to vote for Nobody because there is no leadership and definitely no opposition," he said.
http://adelaide.indymedia.org/newswire/display/58535/index.php

Nobody gains ground in latest poll
"There is a momentum now heading in the direction of Nobody because Nobody does it better, sometimes I wish someone could," he said.
http://melbourne.indymedia.org/news/2007/06/145848.php

Lib/Lab might 'lose support' amid opinion poll slump
Nobody is playing down its big lead over the Lib/Lab war criminal government in the latest Indypoll.
http://melbourne.indymedia.org/news/2007/05/145569_comment.php#145577

Nobody scores 20pc lead: poll
"On all the future challenges, illegal and degrading wars, crimes against humanity, torture, kidnapping, political scapegoating, draconian laws, nuclear issues, climate change, housing, education, health, skills, no work choices, ensuring our future, environment sustainability by using renewable energy, the government is really looking backwards rather than looking forwards for Australia's future," he said.
http://melbourne.indymedia.org/news/2007/05/145569.php

Poll shows 'mood for change'
A vote for Nobody is a Vote for Everybody. Boycott the election because Nobody represents you! Adam Ant!
http://melbourne.indymedia.org/news/2007/05/145276.php

Related:

Nobody will change that!
In the recent NSW Election a definite chain of command was in evidence: Socialist Alliance functioned as cheerleaders for the Greens, and the Greens supported Labor. Both organisations promoted illusions that Labor could be pressured at the ballot box, and that it represented a “lesser evil” to the Liberals. In line with this, the Greens concluded a preference deal with Labor’s state executive, while Socialist Alliance allocated first preferences to the Greens and second preferences to Labor.
http://sydney.indymedia.org.au/node/50784

Bush (Custer) Last Stand In Iraq - War Drums in Washington
The majority of American citizens have the delusion that they actually decide who governs them, when in practice the Democrats and Republicans are only two wings of the same ruling class that owns Congress, just as it owns the land, the banks and big corporations, the newspapers, and radio and television companies.
http://melbourne.indymedia.org/news/2007/02/139901.php

Stop Voting - Stop Supporting Pseudo Democracies
Just as communicating with the Feds about abandoning the way we live now is a futile process that only buttresses the legitimacy of old ways of thinking and living, continuing to vote within centralised political processes only reinforces their continuing relevance. Citizens who continue to reside within totalitarian-democracies can, at least partly, abandon them by not voting at elections that will never lead to abundance and a better way of living.
http://melbourne.indymedia.org/news/2006/05/113003.php

Getting A Divorce From Federalism
It takes two to tango. In the event that either party to an agreement, such as the basis of a system of representative democracy, breaks both its spirit and its principles, the relationship can be legitimately severed. This need not involve a revolution or an overthrow of the current power elites. It is simply a matter of separation. Of going off in different directions, and to different futures. Neither party has the legal right to prevent the other from separating from the agreement. Constitutional lawyers or not, once the fundamental basis of the agreement has been destroyed by criminal acts, the whole deal can be called off. The days when the church could enforce matrimonial relationships for life, have long gone. Similarly, the power of constitutions to enforce the permanency of government / citizen relationships, is passing into history. In the event that a Federal government develops into the ultimate organised crime, the citizens of that decayed democracy have an inalienable right to secede from that federation.

Negotiating The Separation
The following mock dialogue illustrates the arguments involved in a region, state, or city within a federation opting to secede from the relationship, on the grounds of undemocratic processes and deep criminality in the administration having invalidated the basis of an existing constitutional agreement.
http://melbourne.indymedia.org/news/2007/05/144670_comment.php#144749
http://melbourne.indymedia.org/news/2006/03/108175.php

Not Revolution, But Abandonment
The process of gaining full freedom from nation states will not involve revolution or civil disobedience. It will thus be beyond the power of federal governments to attack or control.

Daniel Quinn, writing in Beyond Civilization, Humanity's Next Great Adventure, puts the situation into sharp focus. Quinn uses the analogy of an aircraft in trouble, he argues that in such a situation nobody wants to shoot or overthrow the pilot, they only want a parachute and an open door. As Quinn sees it, governments always have countermeasures in place to put down any attack on their authority and power from within (aircraft pilots might have a double locked door between their cockpit and the main cabin, as well as weapons to use if they are attacked by passengers), but governments never have any defences against abandonment (a line of passengers with chutes exiting the external door of the main cabin).

Quinn contends that while governments can imagine a revolution they can't imagine abandonment. As he puts it, "..even if it could imagine abandonment , it couldn't defend against it, because abandonment isn't an attack, it's just a discontinuance of support."
http://melbourne.indymedia.org/news/2006/02/106136.php

This is election/ anti-election commentary and is being moved to the elsewhere/crosspost newswire.

Why are you removing it. Where all here watching this!!! Please explain?

(Anti)-Electioneering
by Vera (MIMC) Tuesday June 05, 2007 at 06:52 PM

This is election/ anti-election commentary and is being moved to the elsewhere/crosspost newswire.

Posting it once its news, twice it becomes boring, three times and its just spam. If you want to write articles about not voting, then give us some fresh news each time. Go and interview Albert Langer, or Joe Toscano. Interview people on the street about voting. Write about the new laws to restrict enrolment. Just don't give us the same rubbish over and over again.

I am applying the same policy that has also been applied in past election periods to any candidate wanting to promote themselves.
http://melbourne.indymedia.org/news/2007/03/141758.php
http://melbourne.indymedia.org/news/2006/11/132164.php

Melbourne Indymedia is not the place for electioneering or over the top anti-electioneering. Provide relevant news or be moderated.

These articles are for everbody not somebody!

MIM Please tell us why you regard the material as spam? Each article is different and orginal. We want to work with you. We figured that each time an opinion poll has been broadcast by the mass media then we should respond with a poll of our own. An original article and an Indymedia list of recent and latent material to back up the poll outcome. We figure that is the best type of poll because a list of recent articles spell it out and granted the numbers.

Otherwise how can we compete with the corporate mass media?

Do you have a better idea?

I think the fact that you backed off and let off some steam was a miracle. Thanks for being a real person Vera. We know what we've got here and we do appreciate it. No matter even if we have to give up the idea of being promoted on google news because that's what ideas are for IMHO.

What about google then when are going to get back to that? We have view that we can compete if you'll just let us?

Big hug

How come I didn't get a rub?

Not only prisoners but first time voters who fail t register the day the Election date is announced will also lose out...in senile old Howard's world Peter garrett is a "kid" and so he wants to disenfranchise the youth who would vote for a young swinger rock n roller type person as he sees PG.

So do nt worry about "don't vote" quite a few people will not because they can't .... do they count as Vote Nobody voters ie are they conscripted to a cause they may not agree with ?

Lest I be misunderstood the voting age shoudl be that of working, leaving school, sex etc ie 15 I reckon and prisoners should vote too
everyone should be able to and then make their own mind up if any of the politicians are worth giving a blank cheque to for 4 more years etc.

Meanwhile back in the world of work .....some votes/petitions that you should give a shit about as much as whether you want Howhard or Krudd to reign upon your parade....

Online campaigns work: Chiquita backs down
* Iran: Five year sentence for union leader
* What union activists should be reading

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ONLINE CAMPAIGNS WORK: CHIQUITA BACKS DOWN

On 18 May we wrote to tell you about Chiquita sacking union members in Costa Rica who had complained about being sprayed by pesticides while harvesting bananas. You responded with 3,437 messages to the company.
And as a result, many of you received an email in the last few days from Chiquita's Senior Vice President, Manuel Rodriguez, replying to the
issues we raised. As Rodriguez pointed out in his email, the company
has been discussing this with the IUF (the global union federation
responsible for agricultural workers) and has agreed to work toward
re-hiring the workers and resolving the issues raised by the union.
Pressure from the IUF, other food workers unions around the world, and thousands of individuals like you have had an effect, and workers' lives are being saved as a result.

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IRAN: FIVE YEAR SENTENCE FOR UNION LEADER

In Tehran, a court has imposed a five year prison sentence on Mansour
Osanloo, head of the bus workers union, on the charge of "acting against national security" and making "propaganda against the system". Osanloo has 20 days to appeal the verdict. Meanwhile, Mahmoud Salehi -- another leading figure in the embattled Iranian unions, currently in jail -- reported that his kidney problems have worsened and his blood pressure has fallen dramatically. The authorities are doing nothing to help him and his life now appears to be in danger.

You've seen what your emails did to help compell Chiquita to act in
Costa Rica -- we now need to intensify our efforts in support of Mahmoud Salehi, Mansour Osanloo and the other brave Iranian trade unionists who have taken on one of the world's most repressive regimes. Please make sure to send off your message to the Iranian authorities today -- and spread the word:

http://www.labourstart.org/cgi-bin/solidarityforever/show_campaign.cgi?c=231

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WHAT UNION ACTIVISTS SHOULD BE READING

The IUF has just published a 36-page brochure entitled "A Workers' Guide to Private Equity" which can purchase or download from their website.
It's essential reading for trade unionists facing the new challenges of
a new kind of capitalism:

http://tinyurl.com/3bar69

It IS the same old shit over and over again. We know how to read the ABC newswire without you re-interpreting it for us. We don't need the same thing shoved in our faces time and time again. Stop dominating the wire.

Complaints department

Then show me the money?

Because each article is very creative, different and genuine.

Don't hate the media be the media

Try writing and article and express yourself instead of the low life garbage you try and pull here.

parrot spam Thread
http://melbourne.indymedia.org/news/2007/06/145931.php

I suggest that the same old shit is coming from you!

Then you show all of us here the other article the same as this one? Posted when? Posted where?

Please post the link for all to see? Otherwise your a fraud troll and your complaint should just been thown in the bin.

AIPAC doesn't like the competion. Why do we worry about ABC propaganda? Because that's more anoying than people who complain about the competition.